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Sunday, September 13, 2009

Stupid bait.... don't get caught with it

(Note: All images in today’s blog are linked to the actual image on the website that market’s the POS. I didn’t scan or copy anything.)

As previously mentioned on this blog there is a lot of horse equipment out there that just advertises how incompetent is the trainer. Most of it is expensive, most of it is dangerous and none of it is pleasant for the horse. Sadly, a big name trainer endorses most of it

I wandered over to my sister’s today and in a fit of boredom ( well truthfully I was watching her work on her mower and saying nasty things about the inventor’s family), I browsed through several horse catalogs she had sitting around. The Schneiders and Horse.com catalogs were loaded with blog material. WTF are these people thinking selling some of this shit?

So let’s take some of the places that sell this stuff to task and point out how they are all about the dollar, and not about the animal their industry is built on.

Schneiders, you’re a bunch of guilty as hell shits.

Here’s our first entry in the “Absolutely Worst Stupid Bait On The Market” entry, and you guessed it, it’s endorsed by a BNT that felt putting his name on this torture device was a good idea.



So Bob Hart Jr., exactly what were you thinking when you decided it was okay to put a chain over the top of a horse’s head and a thin leverage chin strap that would tighten things to such a degree that there would be pressure points from the top of the head to the nose and sides of the face? I grew up surrounded by Arabians and good Arabian trainers. I’m trying to figure out at what point it became acceptable to openly advertise that you’re such an incompetent jerk that you can’t teach a horse to stand for halter without jerking the shit out of his head and making it painful?
Keep pimping this crap Bob and you’re going to make my Trainwhore of the Year list.

Here’s some more stupid bait from Schneiders.



I think that in order to buy crap like this you should have to take a mandated written test and also have to be licensed by a professional horsemens’ group that will attest you have the knowledge and light hands necessary to ride in such a bit. Yet, I have seen kids riding with these bits. I’ve seen young horses that are barely out of bosals being tortured with these things. And I’ve seen some nasty flip-overs in the line up when ZippoCrackBars decides he’s not going to back and instead goes up and over.

I saw this and my jaw dropped in horror. At first glance it’s just a caveson. But read the fine print and you realize that this piece of stupid bait has a really nasty purpose.


This horrible thing is by Billy Royal ® and it’s a royal piece of shit. That black piece on the chin is metal. It connects to not one, but two, crank straps. That’s right, it’s a double crank noseband with metal lying against the sensitive jawbone! WTF are they thinking marketing this damn thing? I hope some novice doesn’t buy this thing and use it with a curb bit! I can just see the huge bloodstain after the horse flips over on some newbies!

There was a lot more in the Schnieders catalog, but these three items caught my attention the most.

Then I looked at the Horse.Com catalog and realized that the presence of stupid bait has infiltrated even the most basic of horse merchandisers.

How’d you like to wear this bit?

Not only is this high port, but it has chain link bars that are narrow and just waiting to pinch the hell out of the horse’s lip edges. Add to that aspect the fact that it’s a wide palate bit with a very narrow curb chain. I can just see this thing folding around a horse’s jaw and the curb digging into the skin. Makes me wince! People that ride with this kind of crap deserve to be bucked off. Mike Beers, shame on you for promoting this kind of crap! At least have the decency to demand that a warning be placed on this bit that it is not for novice riders!




This bit is pimped by universal Trainwhore Sharon Camarillo. It pisses me off for all kinds of reasons. 1) It’s a gag bit 2) It’s twisted wire 3) It’s a curb on top of being a gag 4) It has those squared off cheek piece holders that add to the poll pressure. This bit is prime stupid bait. Putting it on your horse is like a flashing neon sign that you’re a complete idiot where horses are concerned.



Just where to even fucking start? This POS by Mikmar just screams “I don’t have a clue!” Come on people, since when is some travesty like this necessary to train a horse? It’s obvious Frank Evans is not testing these things out on himself before putting them in a horse’s mouth. I have to say I’m not a big fan of most of the Myler bits, but after perusing the Mikmar website Myler looks almost normal. If someone had shown up with one of these things back where I grew up they would have been dismembered and buried in an old mine shaft.

After making my eyebrows cross the top of my skull I then picked up the Stateline Tack catalog. I have to say I love the cover with the lead line class photo. The pony is awesome and his little rider is so cute. I’m not jiving on mom’s shoes, but if she wants her pedi ruined by a sharp pony hoof then so be it.
I usually get along with Stateline, but I did find some nasty stuff in there that caused me some dismay.



WTF is this thing being pimped by Pessoa? I remember when Pelhams were frowned on as being suitable for kids or novices that couldn’t handle a real double bridle. This thing looks like the illegitimate child of a nasty western correction bit, and a set of thunder beads. My old horse would have learned to climb trees rather than let me put this in his mouth. Pessoa, when did you become such a Trainwhore? Your saddles are great, but this thing…not so much.

Again with the Mikmar junk!


First off, if you add a curb strap this bit ceases to be a snaffle. It becomes a short-shanked, flat- cannoned, poll pressure inducing, piece of junk. Why on earth would you inflict this on a horse?
Are the Mikmar people stoned or just stupid? Can you imagine what Louis Ortega or Colonel Podhajsky would say if someone showed up with one of these? If it takes this kind of crap to get your horse to pay attention then he's missing some basics, and you're missing $169.00 for something that shouldn't be used for any purpose other than a paperweight.

What has the industry come too? Other industries usually get simpler as they evolve. Not the horse industry. We've gone back to the dark ages. Can you imagine what horsemen in the future will say when they dig this crap up? They'll think it's the Equine Inquisition. Sad, sad, sad!

Remember, all of the above are prime stupid bait! Get caught with it and you could end up being featured as a poster child here!

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JohnieRotten said...

Paul

Me thinks you are a twit!

I personally would never teach a rider to ride in a Tom Thumb. I have said it before and I will say it again, teach a rider to use a snaffle. Teach em how to work their horses so they have no problems later on. I get tired of dealing with fixing the problems that arise when trainers are too lazy to train the horse and rider. Instead they take short cuts and fuck everything up.

JohnieRotten said...

2 oh first

Anonymous said...

You're something else, Paul. Something else. You are telling me and CNJ that you don't have time for us, yet you posted directly to us and about what we've said. BRILLIANT!

I don't have a narrow mind, but I know that only three professional jumpers and NO professional gaited horse trainers (sound trainers, mind you) or dressage riders and only ONE dressage testimonial on their reviews page isn't enough to convince me. When I go to a BNT's website that I respect like Clinton Anderson and the majority of the bits are different varieties of snaffles, then I know a quality job can be done with as minimal mechanical interference as possible. I just have a hard time with a complex gadget doing a job for me that I can do as simply as possible with minimal to no pain and interference for the horse. I know through experience that the bigger the bit the more control is nonsense. You say yourself you use them to bring a horse back then switch to another bit--why don't you use them all the time? You are continually contradicting yourself, which I imagine would be very confusing to the horse.

Just keep doing what you're doing, Paul--you've obviously made some people very happy. It's your choice. But don't call someone narrow minded when you haven't been open minded to the majority of the things said here. Practice what you preach a little bit.

Paul said...

Did not say teach them to ride in a snaffle. When it comes time to learn to use a curb, the tomthumb is not what I would use but not an aweful bit either. There is a lot of bad talk about those bits and you can say what you want to say but they work if used correctly. You all always just love twisting words.

Paul said...

I do not take shortcuts, and am not going to repeat myself on that again. that is your opinion that using a mikmar is a shortcut. A bad opinion, but none the less just an opinion. You will never get one of my horses that is fxxxx up due to something I do. I have been working with a girl on a barrel horse for about 4 months now trying to bring him back from the brink. A very respectable BNT told them the horse was to far gone and needed to find a home to eat grass and never be ridden again. The horse would not even go into the ring. We have been working with several types of snaffles over the months and solid training. The horse actually went to a show and walked into the ring and then trotted the barrels and low and behold stopped and stood still and walked out of the ring. No I have not used a mikmar on this horse, I feel it would not help because I am not doing all the riding and the rider is learning to fix the problem. She is not ready to use such a bit so we stick to snaffles for this horse. Call me a twit fine. Not here to argue just to tell folks they are talking bad about a line of bits that work and are very kind. Its quite apparent that they nothing about them.

Paul said...

Katphoti,
You dont read! I would use a mikmar all the time on a horse if I felt that it would help the horse. You can use one all the time, they are a very good bit.
Dont tell me there is no pain with a snaffle or interference, you stick a round piece of metal in yor mouth and spin it around and tell me it dont interfere with what your doing. I have told you time and time again I am not naive nor am I narrow minded. I do, do things the way you do. But am open minded enough to always look for great uncomplicated tools to help me communicate with a horse. Does not sound closed minded to me? You all just love not reading and twisting words. My advise to you would be to give one a shot sometime and see what happens. There are dressage folks using the bits.

Dena said...

CutnJump I need you to make me some stuff!!!

I need a dressage pad. For my Bona Allen cutback.

And no I am not kidding.

JohnieRotten said...

Are you saying I am twisting your words?

I am telling you that you are wrong.

Are you taking shortcuts?

Absolutely!

When you take shortcuts on a horse that has behavior problems, you are going to create more problems. I worked under a trainer in the early 80s that used to love to bit his horses up in that bog ol mikmar. Not a good idea!

Tom Thumbs are and never will be a good bit. I do not understand why you would not tell your students to buy a better bit. All I have in my tack room is five bridles. Two with smooth offset d snaffles, cheap iron with copper inlay, two grazing bits and one shanked snaffle. I do not waste money on garbage.

I have a feeling Paul, that your riders have a tendancy to hang on their horses mouths.

Paul said...

again, your opinion, the trainer you work under in the 80's was a smart feller. I do not use them all the time, but do if I think it will help. But what I have said in the past is that you could use one all the time. Most trainers use a snaffle to put the horse on the bit, and most of the time to hard on the bit. I use snaffles all the time. Matter of fact it is about all I use. The fact remains and will probably always remain that when you show in some disciplines you have to use a curb. Oh I know there should not be any horse shows right. Wrong, horse shows of all sorts are probably the largest part of the industry. So if folks want to show then you have to teach them to use a curb. I dont like it anymore than you do. But I have had to fix more horses that have been messed up by snaffles than curb bits.

Dena said...

Ohhhh...a boy fight. Now we can watch the effects of testicular interference.

I am still wearing my protective gear so I feel very safe saying such.lol

BrownEyed Cowgirl said...

Wow-we don't usually get to read a boy fight...Kool!(grabs a fresh cup of coffee and a cigarette and places finger on the refresh button)

Paul said...

No fight, just opinions. everyone got one. you all fight all you want.

JohnieRotten said...

Apprently Paul, you use then way too much!

The trainer that I worked for in the 80s was an idiot. He had severely injured a few horses,luckily(sp)for him not while I worked for him, one of those was injured while he was bit up in a mikmar.

And don't lecture me about horse shows dumbass, I train horses for a living. So horse shows are a big part of my life. I know what they are good for.

There is one thing that I learned in 30 years of training, and that is, stay out of a horse mouth. But, there again, I am not sure you know what the means!

horsndogluvr said...

"I do not take shortcuts, and am not going to repeat myself on that again. that is your opinion that using a mikmar is a shortcut."

Yet you said earlier that using that Mikmar shortened the re-training of that abused horse.

That means you saved time by using a gadget, which means you used a shortcut.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Get over it.

Paul said...

there you go twistin words. yes it might shortin the process but also saves you and the horse grief. Guess you still take a bath in a number three wash, more power to you.

Paul said...

sorry left out the word tub on wash tub

JohnieRotten said...

Saves the horse grief!

What the hell!

What saves the horse grief, Paul, is when you train them right the first time.

I do not think HP was twisting your words.

Paul said...

well no kiddin, if the horse was not brought to me hosed up there would no reason to fix it. If I start a colt I do it with a snaffle. I know you all are experts and know everything but you still cant read.

JohnieRotten said...

You should never be at the point that you have to use the mikmar for the horse and the rider.

Paul, I think you need to re-edgimicate yourself.

This is like the double bridle debate, some say it is good, but those that do are always looking for a way to force the horse into the bridle. But that little thin snaffle, that is also known as a bradoon,is a pretty harsh piece of steel to put into a horses mouth.

I don't know, maybe it is the cowhorse trainer in me, but personally, I like a lot less equipment on my horse, and I like the lightest bit possible and I also like to teach my students to stay as far out of a horses face as they can.

Paul said...

Agree with you. The only diff is that my opinion is, the mikmar can serve a purpose and is not as harsh as these folks make it out to be.

JohnieRotten said...

Paul said...
well no kiddin, if the horse was not brought to me hosed up there would no reason to fix it. If I start a colt I do it with a snaffle. I know you all are experts and know everything but you still cant read.
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That may be Paul. But when a horse is 'hosed up', in order to 'un-hose' him, you are better off keeping him comfortable and relaxed. A mikmar is no way to relax a horse. I have never used one and have never needed to. Of all of the 'hosed' horses that have come to me to be fixed, I have always used a snaffle.

JohnieRotten said...

I realize that you may look at this as 'here comes ol' JR lookin for a fight'.

But the reality is, I am tired of the stupididty out there that seems to drive the horse industry.

A more severe bit in a horses mouth can never make up the lack of talent that is out there.

And when the idiots 'hose' up a horse, and I have to fix it. It gets really old.

Paul said...

As I said before most of the hosed up horses that I have had to fix were hosed up with a snaffle. Now of course most of them I unhose with a snaffle. The mikmar is gentle and will relax a horse.

BrownEyed Cowgirl said...

Paul, I have refrained from entering the Mikmar battle because I have never used one.

I do however have a Mylar that was given to me by a friend. It's not exactly the same as the Mikmar, so there may be suble differences. Rather than the string noseband attaching to to the reins-it runs through a ring on the side and to the all leather curb. The mouthpiece is not ported, but rather a jointed(snaffle) with rollers. The shanks are actually 3 rings-so you can attach your reins to different places.

I took the bit, simply because my mom had seen advertisements for the Mikmar and wondered how they would work. I am unwilling to spend that kind of money on any bit without getting a chance to use it first.

Now, I think the Mylar I have is actually a milder bit than the Mikmar shown-simply because it does not have a ported mouthpiece, but I have to say, after using it, I don't think it is a mild bit at all. You can get a hold of a horse's face like RIGHT NOW with it.

For my own purposes, I could see it being effective on a horse who gets lazy or dull and wants to fall on his front-end in stops or is insistent on dropping his shoulders in circles. But I could never see myself using it to actually compete with. It's too much bit for anything I have and I think I would hate to be running barrels on a horse that needed that much bit to control him.

I mention that because you said there were starting to be gamers who are using the Mikmar. God I hope not. Thankfully, I haven't seen any. My personal opinion is that this is a bit for an experienced rider, working on a specific problem. Definitely not for amateurs with questionable hand skills.

(Geez-I wished the phone guy would show up already, so I could go ride! It's a beautiful day and I'm stuck waiting here at the house-Gahh!)

Dena said...

Bex I caught that. Hmmmph. You smoke you.

Can you imagine what might happen if someone just ponied up and said I am right and you are wrong and that is that!?!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

I have fabulous hands. And the ponies like me.
Thank God. Because if I ever had to pull some of that junk outta my trunk I am thinking that once it went on I would not want to.

Why do I have this overwhelming urge to to type I have one limited slide gag Na na na Na na?

Awwww...it is not an urge anymore is it?

I am feeling cranky and spunky today.ROFLMAO

BrownEyed Cowgirl said...

Okay, this is too funny and too appropriate to pass up. My Honey just got home and the first thing he did is tear into his newly delivered motorcycle frame and parts-he's going to build his own(:O).

The warning label attached to the frame could apply to any and all of the bits we have discussed, fought over, touted and dissed...

"(Fill in name of manufacturer of newly purchased bit)has no control over the judgment of others and assumes no responsibility or liability of any nature for the failure of others to use good judgment."

Dena said...

BECS...POIFECT!!!

*spelled for effect*

Anonymous said...

BEC that is AWESOME. That disclaimer should come with ANY horse training device!

The last time I read the statistics in Equus magazine, or maybe it was HI, trail riding and trail events outrank showing horses by about 75% to 25%. In the TWH world, only about 20% of horses are shown; the rest do everything else (trail, endurance, etc.) Showing is NOT the number one industry in the horse world. That's a fact.

cattypex said...

I wish that more trail & recreational riders sought out the services of decent trainers & instructors.

Unfortunately, you often see a mentality of "it's MY horse, dangit, and I've got the right to do WHATEVER I WANT to it" and/or "Lessons? Sheeeee-it. I been ridin' bareback since I was a KID. Don't never fall off."

Well, bareback is a good way to teach you how to STICK to a horse, for sure, but contrary to romantic conventional wisdom, if you don't get any proper instruction, you also develop an AWFUL chair seat, hunchy roach back, and terrible rough hands. Not to mention you hurt your horse's back by bouncing all over the place.

Sorry to all the people who grew up that way....

Anonymous said...

Agreed, CP, agreed.

Paul said...

not all horse showing is done in a ring, endurance, racing and other aspects of supposed trail riding such as timed events and such are showing your horse.
Trail riding is just that, take your horse out for a relaxing ride or short trip, nothing else. No judged obstacles or or timed anything. You also have to account for the number of folks that show and also trail ride. Most folks I know do trail ride and show.

cattypex said...

Paul... this is a cool site for serious trail riders:
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/

Not the weekend warriors, but the folks who are lucky enough to be able to take those long treks.

The historical stuff is interesting. Those old-time horses were TOUGH... I like reading about the women, too.

Some not-kind bits were the norm, though.....

oxymoronic said...

Merci :) Most of us can write a decent sentence, but choose not too :P I got a fifth in a novice hack class on an appaloosa :) And I like doing the work myself, how else am i SUPPOSED TO DEVELOP AS A RIDER?!!>! LOL it also helps when your Granny is very scary mad and loves horses. She has had so much experience and she is a huge believer in snaffles :) She also hates most training aids with a passion lol I guess it rubbed off??

cattypex said...

Yay See Spot Run!

George Morris was sharing some Appaloosa love in Practical Horseman... "They often make good jumpers."

Anonymous said...

Congrats SSR!!! I agree--some of the Appys make great jumpers. I judged an Appy at a show once who was a gorgeous hunter horse. He looked like a TB with spots! He was of the Navajo or Native Image lines...oh boy, I can't remember what she said now, but I knew exactly what she was talking about when she said it.

Anyway, great job, and keep up the wonderful work!

Anonymous said...

Just had to jump in here about the Mikmar bits. First of all, just because a showjumper endorses the bit, that doesn't necessarily mean that they use that bit on their horses all the time.
For example, I once read an article written by Margie Goldstein Engle where she stated that all of her horses are schooled at home in a smooth snaffle. Only when she is in the show ring jumping 5' fences does she use a stronger bit - a plain old 3-ring elevator bit.
So, even if these Olympic riders claim to use the Mikmar bits, it is most likely only when they are competing, and at the highest levels of the sport. Their horses are trained correctly to be responsive to a simple snaffle (as it should be).
If you need one of those crazy Mikmar bits all the time, you are doing something seriously wrong.

Paul said...

think you would be surprised at how much they use the bit. might want to check into it. like I said before, the bit is gentle due to the way it works as a whole, not just the mouth piece. A snaffle is a great bit and I use them most of the time. But as I said before I do not take a bath in a number 3 wash tub anymore, and no one can tell me I should because its better and the way I should take a bath. Just like I will not tell anyone that a mikmar is the answer. It can be an answer and it is gentle enough to use on a daily basis. I myself do not, but it could be.

jazz said...

I am appalled at the bits/gear that some of these so called "horsepeople/trainers" use on their horses and others that they are training. There are sure some gullable horse owners out there that let these trainers hurt their horses. I ride with either a halter or a sidepull. I have no problems with my horse.

AnEnglishRider said...

"if you don't get any proper instruction, you also develop an AWFUL chair seat, hunchy roach back, and terrible rough hands. Not to mention you hurt your horse's back by bouncing all over the place."

I've seen so many examples of this... And people who think they're 'training' their horse like that. Yeah... training it to want to throw you off.

Combine all that above with this bit:
http://www.toklat.com/dyn_prod.php?p=89-L32315&k=87682

And that girl had the unhappiest horse I've seen in a long time.

reinerluver said...

You guys are rediculous! seriously? What the fuck? for starters, why are draw reins bad? they dont hurt the horse in any way shape or form, they just give you leverage so that the horse will give their face better and will save you a lot of time. And different bits do different things, snaffles work off of the corners of there mouths and you can not show in a snaffle unless you are at an open show or are showing in a snaffle bit class. Curb bits are not this super harsh thing that you all think they are. And if you are complaining about a gag bit, search mule bit and see what comes up, they are just tools to help you control a thousand pound animal that can easily overpower you if it wants, and if you want to get a world champion horse you are going to have to use these "devices" (which are not as horrible as you think they are) at some point unless it is a super horse. And seriously? Cavesons are bad? they just prevent the horse from opening its mouth, its not stabbing it in the heart. Its a TOOL. like what mechanics use to help them achieve what they want, we use them to help us ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT.

Anonymous said...

I met a woman that was being pestered by pushy people who criticized her "weird" Mikmar bit. She asked me what I thought. The horse was calm and there was no gaping or behavioral problems. Easy answer, If it's not broken, don't fix it. She could have done a lot worse. The bit was light, the nose pressure reduced the amount of curb pressure,it was wide, and she rode with a loose rein yet here came the busy bodies as to what she SHOULD do.

It depends on the horse rider combination. Similar to the reaction to a spade. If balanced well, these bits don't go into leverage immediately. The horse feels the spoon which often is attached to a spring, and THEN it engages the tongue and bars. It's a signal bit, not a horse stopper, and if used right, it's wonderful and a lot better than a regular curb that goes straight to the bars. I'm fed up with this all or nothing to look right nonsense. No, it's not a bit for a beginner. No it shouldn't be condemned either unless you want to dumb down everything because of incompetent people.

One thing that I often see are people not riding in double reins when using training equipment(That includes martingales) to separate their functions. That can be very dangerous as well as misinformed. Instead of learning, they whine there are too many reins. And, I haven't seen a person ride in four reins with a bosal in a long time and would love to see more people go back to that.

I totally love the double bridle because of different bit functions in different locations in the mouth. It makes their actions distinct compared to a pelham which is just leverage.

Now, pretend you get a client that can afford to go the distance but is impatient. Do you put a bit controller on for awhile while you encourage them to take some lunging/seat lessons or do you let them get frustrated and walk and miss your house payment?

Most clients are soooo impatient which puts a trainer making a living in a rock and a hard place. With that situation, which trainers will be left? Until people stop this instant gratification routine, it will be difficult to find an honest trainer that's making good money.

Anonymous said...

I read in a magazine once (I believe it was the QHJ) "If you can't get the job done in a snaffle, you need to find a new career." I don't really understand why you need to ride a 3/4 year old horse in that shit... you might need to put a little extra on an older horse, but not ANYTHING LIKE WHAT'S PICTURED? I hope the people that are actually so mentally disabled to use those money-grabs get killed by the creatures that flip on top of them.

I hate dumb people.

Paul said...

Snaffles are a tool to start a horse with and they are used to do so for a reason. They are a harsh bit with lots of power if used correctly they are a great tool but if you get a young rider that does not know how to use one. then they hang on the reins and horses head and the horse is the loser. A mikmar with an aged horse and young rider can be a great tool to teach a rider proper bit use. You would be surprised. The the most harsh bit I know of is a snaffle. A double twisted wire. If you have to use that on your horse you have really done something wrong or you horse has a very bad tude. not all riders are equal and you really need to know what your doing with a snaffle or you are going to come up with a lot of problems. So what I am saying is young rider no young horses leave young horses to folks who know how to use a snaffle to start the horse correctly and leave the young rider to the older trained horse of which most of the time knows more than the rider. as for the bit they use, use a bit that suits the horse and rider. and yes a mikmar can be an excellent tool to help a young rider learn to stay off the reins and sit properly. and yes a mikmar can be used by the right rider to help break some habits of some problem horses. It is not a harsh bit if used in the right combination. they are just like any other tool. You have to use them correctly. you would not turn a person loose with a chain saw that does not know how to use one. and you should not turn a young rider loose with a snaffle or a mikmar with out supervision. they are good bits and are not harsh. they are extremely light and when used correctly are a good tool for some riders and some horses. dont knock it till you try it.

Unknown said...

First of all. I have a horse who will not keep his head down and will take off with you unless you have that bit (the one with the rope and thick bit) on. We have used other bits but nothing works. I don't plan on getting killed by this horse so someone else can try him in a snaffel. I have a pony who is 152 in horse years and I have to use a cathedral on him. If it hurt him then he would stop on a dime. You put that but (which is the most severe one that we could find) and try to get him to stop. HE DOSENT! Certain horses need certain bits. Some have a really hard mouth and can not feel certain bits and others dont even need bits (such as 3 of my horses).

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Asad and sons is proud to serve the globally tack marketplace with equine products.
We are proud to distribute all with the support of our customers and the experiences
of decades.
We are unique in that we carry a wide variety of name brands who are working with us
and came to our production units stay with us for the weeks and appreciates our efforts
and techniques, Many others new companies who are newer to the industry they are happy
with us in maintain the standards of quality that we apply to all of our products.

We strive to bring the public incredibly affordable horse tack without sacrificing
the qualities because we are the experts of equine industry and leading equine products.
Asad and sons is proud to serve the globally tack marketplace with equine products.
We are proud to distribute all with the support of our customers and the experiences
of decades.
We are unique in that we carry a wide variety of name brands who are working with us
and came to our production units stay with us for the weeks and appreciates our efforts
and techniques, Many others new companies who are newer to the industry they are happy
with us in maintain the standards of quality that we apply to all of our products.

We strive to bring the public incredibly affordable horse tack without sacrificing
the qualities because we are the experts of equine industry and leading equine products.

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