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I own 3 and they are the best horses I've ever hadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-57198181125676055232017-08-01T08:23:22.110-04:002017-08-01T08:23:22.110-04:00It's also worth mentioning that that last phot...It's also worth mentioning that that last photograph is MINE AND IS COPYRIGHT TO ME SO PLEASE NOT STEAL WITHOUT PERMISSION!!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13048349923073277641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-7774397505267404212017-08-01T08:21:59.075-04:002017-08-01T08:21:59.075-04:00I do agree that Gypsy Vanners are NOT 'proper ...I do agree that Gypsy Vanners are NOT 'proper cobs'. <br />In Britain we have a massive horse overpopulation problem - rescues are over full and the BHS reckons, as a conservative estimate, that there are 7,000 horses at risk of neglect or abuse or abandonment. The market is flooded with young unhandled small horses that no one wants. And you know what kind of horses these 7,000 mainly consists of? <br /><br />Coloured cobs. Mostly colts. <br /><br />But some breeders have realised that a horse that is worth at a stretch £150 here could be sold for $10,000 overseas. <br /><br />To see a proper cob take a look at this horse; his name is Barillo, and he competed at para dressage at the Olympics. Then compare it this 'Vanner'. http://gypsygold.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/Droghedas-Wildfire-15-0343.jpg <br /><br />It's shoulders are straight as wooden rulers and its rump is like a mountain drawn by a three year old child, with a pointed summit. Yet proper cobs have sloping sculpted shoulders and rounded, powerful rumps to give their stride impulsion and lift. It's said that 'a good cob has an ass like a cook, a head like a doll, and bottoms like bells' - 'bottoms' refers to their feet which should be strong, hard and perfectly shaped, as originally cobs were bred in Ireland to be working ponies, driving animals, used by traveller communities to pull their traditional caravans. This is not something a vanner could do. They are most often hugely obese, in fact morbidly so, with short, abrupt strides that I imagine would be phenomenally uncomfortable to ride or drive.<br /><br />I love 'good cobs' but despise gypsy vanners. They are a vile perversion of one of Britain's most beautiful breeds. <br />I am happy to provide more information or photographs or examples of 'proper cobs' if you require it.<br />This is a cob I had on loan a while ago; she wasn't the best example of a cob but is still a better looking, more useful horse than one of those vanners, in my opinion. She was ride and drive and wonderfully comfortable for both. https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13879267_1646149062370003_6683843401794853846_n.jpg?oh=6312e21e37d79ec517f3f674b4591145&oe=5A048E50Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13048349923073277641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-45484554396272637032016-03-29T06:50:00.929-04:002016-03-29T06:50:00.929-04:00I always find it humorous that people that don'...I always find it humorous that people that don't understand "form to function" complain about purpose bred conformation traits as "faults". Like your complaint of a straight shoulder on a purebred draft. Seriously? Try balancing a work collar on a draft with a race horse shoulder angulation. Newsflash, the draft was never bred to be an ideal riding horse. Karen garriotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08936762658425615074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-8670571026041661322016-03-29T06:49:29.792-04:002016-03-29T06:49:29.792-04:00I always find it humorous that people that don'...I always find it humorous that people that don't understand "form to function" complain about purpose bred conformation traits as "faults". Like your complaint of a straight shoulder on a purebred draft. Seriously? Try balancing a work collar on a draft with a race horse shoulder angulation. Newsflash, the draft was never bred to be an ideal riding horse. Karen garriotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08936762658425615074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-1432049411397095112013-12-09T14:33:22.217-05:002013-12-09T14:33:22.217-05:00I came across this when I was looking up general d...I came across this when I was looking up general draft information trying to determine what the ideal conformation for a plow horse is (aspirations of eventually having a horse-powered farm), and I have to say the examples of "Vanners" that you put up are NOT what anyone in the breed would call "beautiful". I also want to point out that you say "In a breed where a roman nose is accepted and even adored they go way beyond the norm and have ugly heads." and that is completely untrue. A slight Roman nose is acceptable but no one actually wants it, and the breed standard for the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society (http://vanners.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Breed_Standard-021309.pdf) shows a much nicer head than most draft breeds. It is true there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders out there, but there are plenty of people who actually want to breed useful, working horses that just happen to be gorgeous. I also just want to point out that the first two pictures of GVs in the post look like very young horses, and this is a breed that doesn't really mature fully until five or six years of age, so they may end up looking a whole lot better. My family uses our gelding for dressage (I don't ride, so don't ask me what level we are at, but our goal is to go as high as possible) and will end up doing embryo transfers into our mare because she isn't high enough quality (though she will probably be my plow horse, as she is waaaay too big for the breed with a shoulder built for harness). My point is just that I think you give Gypsy "Vanners" (which isn't entirely accurate as there are a number of different registries, currently the Gypsy Vanner Horse Society is working on implementing evaluations and closing the studbooks to help improve the breed, and they don't accept crossbreeds or Drums) somewhat of an unfair assessment here, because there are good breeders and bad breeders just like there are in any breed. All I know is this, I have worked in vet's offices, at hoity-toity rich people boarding barns, and with crazy-ass Dutch Warmblood dressage horses with movement that would make your jaw hit the floor, and I will never have anything other than a GV. They are by far the sweetest and most willing of any breed I've come in contact with and over time as prices drop I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them start to replace ponies as children's pets.gypsyhorsefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03616703530685089831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-76171065879350631112013-09-09T15:56:31.496-04:002013-09-09T15:56:31.496-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04460504795369234923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-18957100579467642492013-09-09T15:53:34.327-04:002013-09-09T15:53:34.327-04:00$10,000? Try $20,000! A woman I used to work for h...$10,000? Try $20,000! A woman I used to work for had a solid black Gypsy - no special coloring, nothing, and paid $20,000. I rode the mare a couple times, and she was like any other below-average horse I rode. Nothing special. <br /><br />LauraAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04460504795369234923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-53065646792685658072013-08-19T21:46:13.974-04:002013-08-19T21:46:13.974-04:00Love this conversation. In Australia there is a r...Love this conversation. In Australia there is a recent move for "hitch" style draught horse driving in the show ring. Ours are bred to work and have angulation in shoulders and pasterns (appropriate and not excessive) with good neck set and sound calm temperament. We ride, compete carriage driving, work on the farm and show at Agricultural Shows. We recently showed at a big show just to be there as we knew all the other draught horses would be in two wheeled light carts which were NEVER used for heavy horses. We were right! Ours were in traditional vehicles and harness and we competed just to make sure our traditions don't just disappear due to an extreme "fashion" that is appearing from overseasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690444775399680320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-25067460651942069332013-08-19T21:46:12.612-04:002013-08-19T21:46:12.612-04:00Love this conversation. In Australia there is a r...Love this conversation. In Australia there is a recent move for "hitch" style draught horse driving in the show ring. Ours are bred to work and have angulation in shoulders and pasterns (appropriate and not excessive) with good neck set and sound calm temperament. We ride, compete carriage driving, work on the farm and show at Agricultural Shows. We recently showed at a big show just to be there as we knew all the other draught horses would be in two wheeled light carts which were NEVER used for heavy horses. We were right! Ours were in traditional vehicles and harness and we competed just to make sure our traditions don't just disappear due to an extreme "fashion" that is appearing from overseasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690444775399680320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-38710261562537040062013-08-19T21:46:11.756-04:002013-08-19T21:46:11.756-04:00Love this conversation. In Australia there is a r...Love this conversation. In Australia there is a recent move for "hitch" style draught horse driving in the show ring. Ours are bred to work and have angulation in shoulders and pasterns (appropriate and not excessive) with good neck set and sound calm temperament. We ride, compete carriage driving, work on the farm and show at Agricultural Shows. We recently showed at a big show just to be there as we knew all the other draught horses would be in two wheeled light carts which were NEVER used for heavy horses. We were right! Ours were in traditional vehicles and harness and we competed just to make sure our traditions don't just disappear due to an extreme "fashion" that is appearing from overseasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690444775399680320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-87401323915642054782013-08-19T21:45:23.511-04:002013-08-19T21:45:23.511-04:00Love this conversation. In Australia there is a r...Love this conversation. In Australia there is a recent move for "hitch" style draught horse driving in the show ring. Ours are bred to work and have angulation in shoulders and pasterns (appropriate and not excessive) with good neck set and sound calm temperament. We ride, compete carriage driving, work on the farm and show at Agricultural Shows. We recently showed at a big show just to be there as we knew all the other draught horses would be in two wheeled light carts which were NEVER used for heavy horses. We were right! Ours were in traditional vehicles and harness and we competed just to make sure our traditions don't just disappear due to an extreme "fashion" that is appearing from overseasAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07690444775399680320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-61222135276726810732012-04-20T20:24:52.217-04:002012-04-20T20:24:52.217-04:00Came across this blog via google and looking up in...Came across this blog via google and looking up info on draft crosses. I have known Gypsies for years and I don't just mean the horse. Yes I think the prices are outrageous here in North America - But I also know how and why it came to be that way. These are beautiful animals inside and out and they were carefully bred that way by the Gypsy people for a reason. They had to be strong enough to pull a caravan and calm enough for their toddlers to play under and beautiful enough to look amazing pulling their caravans ( if you disagree that many of these are beautiful animals- maybe you need your eyes checked). The European Gypsies had no intention of marketing these beautiful animals. An American couple are responsible for that = because they adored them. What has happened since that day was a gamble and the Americans who invested in them were willing to allow any and all mistakes - something the Gypsy people would not allow. If a horse "turned out wrong" they were gotten rid of - not bred and sold for thousands. So I agree and disagree with your post. As for cross breeding drafts - that is a chance taking and sometimes it works out. I have two draft crosses. One Clydesdale/Tennessee Walker who is amazing and a great childs horse. I also have a Paint/Percheron who is 17 hands and a great trail horse. I would buy a Gypsy in a heartbeat if I could afford it. I think they can make a beautiful childs horse and a good companion.TruthSolacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496639026247629095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-9523333531236630262012-01-21T14:50:20.511-05:002012-01-21T14:50:20.511-05:00Found this thread while looking for something else...Found this thread while looking for something else entirely. I'm fascinated with your collective expertise on movement and conformation. Very educational (and entertaining).<br /><br />Although I've never been (and never will be) in a show ring, may I please claim humble bragging rights?<br /><br />I'm drop-dead, head-over-heels, crazy-in-love with a monster drafter that cost me a bargain $600 adoption fee plus shipping.<br /><br />She came through Lazy Horse Rescue (go, Gabriele!) and was born at a (no doubt nightmarish) PMU factory-farm in Manitoba. No way of knowing what her gene package consists of, but my vets and equine-savvy friends concur that she's likely 50/50 Shire-Perch.<br /><br />A more level-headed, smoochable giant never walked the planet. At the age of three she was 16.2hh and 1800 lbs with front hooves that were 9 inches from side to side. At only 3 years she was so willing I could ride her bareback with a rope halter through the woods ... and I promise you, I am the opposite of whatever it takes to be a decent horse trainer.<br /><br />Can't speak for all PMU adoptions, but this filly was bought sight-unseen and was / is absolutely golden. So, despite the following statement being incredibly stale, I'll type it anyway 'cause it comes from the heart:<br /><br />MAKE MINE A DRAFT!<br /><br />Happy hacking to you all, from Kavi's super-lucky owner in Alachua, FL.<br /><br />(Okay, one more soap-boxy statement: OPT TO ADOPT whenever you're able. You'll be amazed at the dirt-covered diamonds out there. That goes for dogs as well as horses. Mutts rule!)<br /><br />.Devonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512850486459370443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-51283351563068321892011-08-27T04:26:57.594-04:002011-08-27T04:26:57.594-04:00If you own a young draft horse and are looking int...If you own a young draft horse and are looking into training it for riding, you need to keep in mind that they do not develop like quarter horses. Their size alone makes them a lot different from the lighter breeds that were bred with riding or dressage in mind, and their bones are simply slower to mature. <br /><a href="http://www.saddleonline.com/Western-Saddles-Arabian-Saddle/c2_57/" rel="nofollow">arabian trail saddles</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-61875689939669400222010-12-16T14:25:03.929-05:002010-12-16T14:25:03.929-05:00"lol?
What the fuck is this??".......
..."lol?<br />What the fuck is this??".......<br /><br /><br />No doubt your point would be taken a little more "seriously" with less use of the eff word....are you unable to express your self in a competent manner.....how old are you, 12?<br /><br />By the way, AQHA is not a "race" (quoting you)..it's a breed found in the equine world....Gypsy Vanners are well enough thought of here to be imported to the USA...many Vanner fanciers here who love the animal just for itself.....<br /><br /><br />get back on your meds................roanhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885708780873123062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-72522919108610586742010-04-14T16:41:30.091-04:002010-04-14T16:41:30.091-04:00I worked one summer for Sonny Cannon in the late 6...I worked one summer for Sonny Cannon in the late 60's. He was a good man. His place was real nice too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-706449064677375812009-04-25T17:32:00.000-04:002009-04-25T17:32:00.000-04:00It makes me sick when I see poorly bred drafts and...It makes me sick when I see poorly bred drafts and draft crosses and hear people say that's just how they're supposed to be. No, no they're not. I honestly believe drafts are the hardesst horses to mess up so it just boggles my mind. In high school, my jumper was a Clyde/TB cross. I competed very, very successfully on the A-circuit with him in the Child/Adult and Jr./AO jumpers. I'm from Florida and we did all the major circuits down here and he more than held his own among all the warmbloods. I frequently had people ask what kind of wamrblood he was. He was ver flasy, black with a big white blaze and three tall socks. He was very well bred, but he wasn't the only one! His breeder, Leslie Fox, has been breeding draft crosses for fox hunting, hunter jumpers, and eventing for years and years. My horse has TONS of half and full brothers and sisters out there, all doing very well. There are also plenty of unrelated crosses from the same breeder who are just as wonderful. And she's just one breeder. It is not hard to find a decent draft or draft cross breeder, or to find good stock and studs to breed. So why do I see crap like this popping up every where? I just do not understand it one bit.<br /><br />On a side note, my horse is now retired from show life and is on a free life lease to a wonderful couple in West Central FL. That's the other great thing about drafts. They are so versatile and you will always be able to find someone who wants to give one of those big beautiful guys a good home!OutRiding01https://www.blogger.com/profile/13567635810581059519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-34777820016041111712009-04-21T02:12:00.000-04:002009-04-21T02:12:00.000-04:00To kinda go back to the draft thing, I wanted to l...To kinda go back to the draft thing, I wanted to let everyone know that there is a small stable here that's near my house where the woman has rescued several PMU horses. She has a GORGEOUS, textbook conformation Percheron mare (looks so much like the stallion I bred my mare to) and her two foals: a beautiful Morgan/Perch cross and a Paint/Perch cross. The Paint cross looks like an overo spotted Percheron, and the Morgan cross looks like a bulky Friesian. She said she is very lucky she got such good ones, and she's right!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-32681826016225249892009-04-20T12:52:00.000-04:002009-04-20T12:52:00.000-04:00Alright, attafox, it's time you wrote a book.
Get...Alright, attafox, it's time you wrote a book.<br /><br />Get crackin'.<br /><br />:)<br /><br />Hi-Ho Silver!!<br /><br />AWAY!!!!!!!!GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-9142542533303521252009-04-20T01:00:00.000-04:002009-04-20T01:00:00.000-04:00You are so awesome that I just spent the last hour...You are so awesome that I just spent the last hour and a half reading pretty much every entry in this blog. Thank you.vanishonthebowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03123221810046842210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-17860141861588014822009-04-19T22:47:00.000-04:002009-04-19T22:47:00.000-04:00On the bloopers - they state they used a couple of...On the bloopers - they state they used a couple of "Gingers" and that Ginger swapped sex as well - plus Ginger's character is a mare and Hightower wasn't ...attafoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14051378275993655987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-85735421854399506062009-04-18T23:50:00.000-04:002009-04-18T23:50:00.000-04:00I thought the SAME thing about Black Beauty! Why ...I thought the SAME thing about Black Beauty! Why in the world did they choose a QH? But at least he's not too bulky and is lean.<br /><br />And did anyone else notice that when Beauty was a foal he was a filly? Hmmmm. I didn't know horses could spontaneously change sex. Although I did find out later that they thought the mare that had the foal was going to have a boy per ultrasound (it was a real birth in the film), but she had a filly instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com