tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post6803078634780041193..comments2023-10-31T06:31:15.796-04:00Comments on Shame in the Horse Show Ring: Things we learned about the horse show industry in 2008.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-67979976907922306612012-08-24T23:54:16.388-04:002012-08-24T23:54:16.388-04:00Where r y nownass hole??Where r y nownass hole??leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635605111698400557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-33721610459310552722010-02-19T12:54:32.787-05:002010-02-19T12:54:32.787-05:00I agree with most of this. However, I will say tha...I agree with most of this. However, I will say that 99% of the western pleasure people (trainers, breeders, showers, etc.) have a major ethical problem with tail deadening. It is one of the most enforced rules in the industry, and tails are slowly coming back in both the APHA adn AQHA from what they were several years ago.NollieBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10471657373493851769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-89835374125765412232009-02-16T10:23:00.000-05:002009-02-16T10:23:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Caitiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06520626309828554672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-44235937248394115502009-02-16T10:22:00.000-05:002009-02-16T10:22:00.000-05:00who are you and who do you think you are?! you are...who are you and who do you think you are?! you are are bashing the pleasure world and why? have you ever trained a pleasure horse? Have you ever bred a halter horse? Do you show AQHA or APHA? Whats your name? whats your horses name? Lemme look it up! my guess is you complain about it because you don't know what your doing.Caitiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06520626309828554672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-45742204068050764832009-02-12T20:55:00.000-05:002009-02-12T20:55:00.000-05:00God you're a wreck "Shame"; no doubt an early demi...God you're a wreck "Shame"; no doubt an early demise from stress or early heart attack from your emotional, overwraught blog. Your blog is based soly on your perceptions, right or wrong.....more often so clouded by your prejudices which draw incorrect conclusions. No doubt you've found a good supply of sheep(minions) which will follow your every word as the gospel. You and Fugly are a pair to draw to.roanhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09885708780873123062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-80976014531972284722009-01-22T23:20:00.000-05:002009-01-22T23:20:00.000-05:00GL,WILL DO! Count me in!GL,<BR/><BR/>WILL DO! Count me in!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-53508141386553113772009-01-22T11:58:00.000-05:002009-01-22T11:58:00.000-05:00kat, thanks.I need a barn, fields, fences (arena w...kat, thanks.<BR/>I need a barn, fields, fences (arena would be nice) and some billions$$ first. We never did get that "challenge" horse sent up here, from the ASB blog, remember?<BR/>If it ever happens, come and help me, 'k?<BR/><BR/>all the best!<BR/><BR/>To Sisters!GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-68069559159471859632009-01-21T21:37:00.000-05:002009-01-21T21:37:00.000-05:00Wow... Nice summary TJM! It's so true about the $...Wow... Nice summary TJM! It's so true about the $ issue. Those of us who operate in the world of logic, good faith and sanity need reminders about the real nastiness that goes on all the time in the name of horse showing.cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-45386138872234851892009-01-21T18:21:00.000-05:002009-01-21T18:21:00.000-05:00Love it!Makes my day a little brighter.slavetotheh...Love it!<BR/><BR/>Makes my day a little brighter.<BR/><BR/>slavetothehorse.blogspot.comTrickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057738334572305669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-15316522157603500252009-01-21T14:33:00.000-05:002009-01-21T14:33:00.000-05:00Tricky,I'm glad there's someone else out there, to...Tricky,<BR/><BR/>I'm glad there's someone else out there, too! But I also know there are lot more like-minded people like us. Plus, I don't have kids for the reasons I stated.<BR/><BR/>Here's a quote I live by:<BR/><BR/>"You need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father."<BR/><BR/>~ Keanu Reeves, <I>Parenthood</I><BR/><BR/>Not like he was oh-so-smart enough to think of it himself, but it's stil an awesome quote. I believe whole-heartedly in it for animals and children alike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-62990362961861565602009-01-21T13:05:00.000-05:002009-01-21T13:05:00.000-05:00GL,I'm jealous, ok?Must be NICE to be in the same ...GL,<BR/><I>I'm jealous, ok?<BR/>Must be NICE to be in the same biz, that they both care about so passionately.. Familial strength and all that.</I><BR/><BR/>I am too. I am the ONLY one in my family that has a passion for horses. I was lucky to marry a man who is a horseperson, but he doesn't like to show or anything like that, just weekend trail riding for him and raising a colt for himself. My sister-in-law is an excellent rider, but she's consciously oblivious when it comes to the care and training aspect of it. She owns horses yet acts like she doesn't know anything about them. She doesn't want to know anything--she just wants to ride. She is an excellent candidate for having a favorite horse at a riding stable that she can rent anytime she wants.<BR/><BR/>Then there are my parents, who give me shit all the time because I own horses--they're a waste of time and money, blah blah blah. In fact, they support my brother's decisions far above my own. I believe I am a disappointment in my parents' eyes. At least my brother understands my passion, even though he's afraid of horses. He doesn't like how my parents treat me, either.<BR/><BR/>*SIGH* At least we have blogs where we can find each other and share like-minded ideas! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-34946897816974368082009-01-20T22:04:00.000-05:002009-01-20T22:04:00.000-05:00Gail, I apologize. I didn't need to add the WGAFF....Gail, I apologize. I didn't need to add the WGAFF. My rude. Conceded.<BR/>This sister topic has been covered ad.nauseum, though. Sorry.<BR/>I don't see why it makes a difference, is all. Do you think there's a conflict of interest between them or something?<BR/>Why?<BR/>Because they're sisters?<BR/>Do you have sisters?<BR/>Sorry, I'm in Mad Cow mode this week, well, seems like every week, these days.<BR/><BR/>I'm for the horses.<BR/>To heck with sisters that aren't interested in horses:)<BR/>I'm jealous, ok?<BR/>Must be NICE to be in the same biz, that they both care about so passionately.. Familial strength and all that.<BR/>I'll be quiet now.GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-3297170599726613372009-01-20T19:31:00.000-05:002009-01-20T19:31:00.000-05:00Katphoti said:"For me, it comes down to this. I ha...Katphoti said:<BR/>"<BR/>For me, it comes down to this. I have the same philosophy about domesticated animals as I do about children: if you have decided you want one, then it is your responsibility to create a happy, healthy, and well-educated/well-trained life for that being. If you can't afford it, don't own it, and if you can't do the proper training/education and health care, then don't own it. It seems so simple, yet it is so hard for so many to grasp."<BR/><BR/>I am so glad there is a like minded person out there that feels this way, I thought I was alone on that stake.<BR/>I also agree that the way to change things is through actions - and in the case of most associations the action is money. The reward for soring and being on board 2yo, breeding hideously deformed halter horses, using rolkur, racing 2yo Tbs is MONEY - take away the reward, by taking away the ability of the association to fund it, and guess what? Less and less people will go to all this trouble and risk to do these hideous things because there is a smaller benefit for it.<BR/>Keep the knowledge flowing TJM - I for one never knew about soring, QH lip chains and the like. (could be somehting to do with being in Australis) Thanks for opening my eyes.Trickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01057738334572305669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-66483607424763603252009-01-20T14:21:00.000-05:002009-01-20T14:21:00.000-05:00DiJ,Sorry, that last comment wasn't directed at yo...DiJ,<BR/><BR/>Sorry, that last comment wasn't directed at you--it was directed at the TWH sore horse industry. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-91588070392589838372009-01-20T14:18:00.000-05:002009-01-20T14:18:00.000-05:00DressageinJeans,LOVE that avatar name."You need to...DressageinJeans,<BR/><BR/>LOVE that avatar name.<BR/><BR/>"You need to get back into the association if you ever plan on helping to fix it."<BR/><BR/>I agree with you, and I wish it would actually work. There are so many who have been trying in the TWH industry for decades. The only thing that HAS convinced them that there is a problem is the recent decline in memberships and registration transfers. They ignore those of us who are screaming about changing the abuse because we are not screaming with our pocketbooks the way the sore horse people are. I find that most horse industries only care about money and NOT about the horses, like they say they do. WHile I have no problem with a business making money, I DO have a problem with 1) making money by abusing others (animals included), and 2) telling the public you're doing one thing while actually doing the opposite behind closed doors.<BR/><BR/>Plus, if enough of us do what's right and not support them, eventually they are going to get whittled down to only a select few who will still show with them. When they only have those few that support them, then they aren't going to grow the industry and get more money.<BR/><BR/>So, I definitely agree with you. I just wish it worked. I just cannot justify sending money to an industry that continues to support animal abuse. Until they eliminate all pads, stacks, chains, bands, long-shanked bits, and various other implements of torture, then I will not support them. For them, actions (writing checks) speaks louder than words, so I am accepting the same philosophy. Stop telling me you're going to do something about it and actually DO it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-14258255003387975352009-01-20T14:06:00.000-05:002009-01-20T14:06:00.000-05:00"kat, I've been saying TJM rocks, for a while. Tha..."kat, I've been saying TJM rocks, for a while. That's partly why, I guess, the western folks umm, dislike my avatar, shall we say, politely:)<BR/>I've grown to like the ASB horse, more and more, from this blog. I guess, that's a bad thing?<BR/>I'm so confused..."<BR/><BR/>No worries, GL. If you like the ASB horse, that's fine. I have met one very nice ASB horse in my life and she was a safe trail horse. The most uncomfortable horse I've ever ridden, but she was safe for an advanced beginner rider on up. Beautiful bay mare with a heart of gold, even though she was higher than a kite all the time.<BR/><BR/>No, I don't like ASBs. I also don't like Arabs, Paso Finos, and Appys. But so what if I don't like those breeds? Someone does, and they wouldn't exist if someone didn't. <BR/><BR/>It's not the horse for me when it comes to what I'm talking about, though. It's the ASB practices and the industry and mentality that goes along with it that I hate. I have the same feelings toward the TWHBEA/NHSC/KWHA/WHOA/WHTA show groups (all sore horse industries). I also hate the way WP, Hunter, and Halter QHs look now and the horrible dish faces of the Arabians. I hate the Rolkur (SP) method for Dressage. I can't stand that some draft horses are subjected to a form of pressure shoeing to make them step higher. I also hate the continued willy-nilly breeding of DSLD Peruvian Pasos, HERDA and HYPP QHs, and various other medical problems. I hate starting any horse in harness or under saddle before it's three years old. I love my trainer dearly, but the stud colt she has, while having a great dispostion and is probably homozygous for tobiano, has horrible confirmation, and she wants to breed more like him.<BR/><BR/>To go even further, I can't stand it when people say "all horses lose weight in winter" or "he's a weanling/senior horse, so of course he's thin." The lack of general knowledge about horses and our continued methods of neglect and abuse, even in our own backyard trail horses, is astounding. I don't understand why someone can own a horse and not understand even the basics: how to recognize colic, what a correctly trimmed or shod hoof looks like.<BR/><BR/>For me, it comes down to this. I have the same philosophy about domesticated animals as I do about children: if you have decided you want one, then it is your responsibility to create a happy, healthy, and well-educated/well-trained life for that being. If you can't afford it, don't own it, and if you can't do the proper training/education and health care, then don't own it. It seems so simple, yet it is so hard for so many to grasp.<BR/><BR/>Don't worry, GL. I think it's great that you've learned about a breed and want to learn more. Maybe you'll find a nice ASB to add to your barn someday!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-45817437580705661372009-01-19T20:24:00.000-05:002009-01-19T20:24:00.000-05:00TJM, thanks for the clarification, I was getting m...TJM, thanks for the clarification, I was getting mixed up.<BR/><BR/>GoLightly - your response to me seems rude. Is that how you greet new people?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09502309009282869899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-82087216520835096842009-01-19T19:12:00.000-05:002009-01-19T19:12:00.000-05:00Gail,>I was reading the stuff at the bottom of ...Gail,<BR/>>I was reading the stuff at the bottom of the page and curiosity strikes. This person talks about not being a member of any horse stuff, but has relatives on boards. This is signed by Tuffy Horse. <BR/><BR/>No, you're incorrect. The thing by Tuffy Horse is about PETA. I wrote the stuff below it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>>I also saw one of the postings a couple weeks ago signed by TH and it was later changed to TJM. So who is TJM and who is TH and are they posting for each other? I can see why some get it mixed up as to who owns the blog.<BR/><BR/>No you didn't. You cannot edit posts. You can either delete them or leave them up, there are no other options. Tuffy and I both have the same initials, TM. Her last name is Meisenbach and mine is Maus. I go by Jean, because I dislike my first name which starts with a T, and her name is Tracy.<BR/><BR/>To make matters worse, if our three brothers showed up we'd really have a mess because they have the same first and second initials too.<BR/><BR/>JeanShameintheHorseShowRinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101707810114180216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-3294850848450464732009-01-19T18:27:00.000-05:002009-01-19T18:27:00.000-05:00WGAFF who owns the blog??That they are sisters is ...WGAFF who owns the blog??<BR/>That they are sisters is SO incredibly relevant/fascinating.<BR/><BR/>(scanning)<BR/>Jeez, there's Two of them. Eeek.<BR/><BR/>TO HORSES.<BR/><BR/>gah. Honestly.<BR/><BR/>oops, I told myself to be quiet. Wish MY sisters had liked horses.<BR/>Heck, anyBODY in my immediate family. But nooooo..<BR/>stomps off.GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-28025091275075956522009-01-19T16:57:00.000-05:002009-01-19T16:57:00.000-05:00I was reading the stuff at the bottom of the page ...I was reading the stuff at the bottom of the page and curiosity strikes. This person talks about not being a member of any horse stuff, but has relatives on boards. This is signed by Tuffy Horse. From what I could gather, TJM is the one who owns this blog and is not a member of clubs and TH is the horse "active" person. I also saw one of the postings a couple weeks ago signed by TH and it was later changed to TJM. So who is TJM and who is TH and are they posting for each other? I can see why some get it mixed up as to who owns the blog.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09502309009282869899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-59011996711680583092009-01-19T15:11:00.000-05:002009-01-19T15:11:00.000-05:00TiffaniThe honourable thing to do would be to post...Tiffani<BR/>The honourable thing to do would be to post a link to Tuffy's site. Let them read it on her site. <BR/>It's hers.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh.<BR/>To The HORSES, sheeples!GoLightlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18283690734019490983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-31229257246156118602009-01-18T23:55:00.000-05:002009-01-18T23:55:00.000-05:00Tiffani,There is a big difference between quoting ...Tiffani,<BR/><BR/>There is a big difference between quoting and using an entire piece. Quoting is using MAYBE one paragraph. Using an entire piece is theft.<BR/><BR/>And what you're not considering, is that when the article is posted somewhere WITHOUT the copyright credentials then other people feel free to "borrow" it and pass it around too.<BR/><BR/>Tracy MTuffy Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916816453349272092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-38626586458057598552009-01-18T23:38:00.000-05:002009-01-18T23:38:00.000-05:00Yet you are going after the folks who actually DO ...Yet you are going after the folks who actually DO give credit and provide your name after the article?<BR/><BR/>I can understand the aggravation, but really... being quoted, when the person is providing proper citation, should not be something you're going after. It's standard literary practice, to quote someone. As long as they provide the name of the writer/speaker, it is perfectly legal. I could quote from one of Obama's speeches, or one of Stephen King's books... as long as I cite the source, and not pretend it is my writing, it's fine.<BR/><BR/>Go after those who are legitimately plagerizing your work (and ESPECIALLY those profiting from it!) with both guns ablazin. But don't take down the people who are quoting you correctly and respectfully and not using your words to make money.Tiffani Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604515137611527603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-8904266149756692032009-01-18T23:36:00.000-05:002009-01-18T23:36:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tiffani Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604515137611527603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-12244444713204336212009-01-18T23:23:00.000-05:002009-01-18T23:23:00.000-05:00Tiffani, It is a wow when people steal your intell...Tiffani, <BR/><BR/>It is a wow when people steal your intellectual property and then claim authorship, try to sell it to magazines, print and sell it on posters and all kinds of other things, which I have dealt with for almost a year now. To say it is aggravating is an understatement.<BR/><BR/>Tracy M.Tuffy Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916816453349272092noreply@blogger.com