tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post3058126451222993472..comments2023-10-31T06:31:15.796-04:00Comments on Shame in the Horse Show Ring: Welcome to the Pleasure Horse ForumUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-81538624735501250142008-11-23T22:08:00.000-05:002008-11-23T22:08:00.000-05:00Trojan Mouse,You seem to love critiquing and criti...Trojan Mouse,<BR/><BR/>You seem to love critiquing and criticizing, don't you? Why not give the rest of us that same joy? I know I'd like to see some pictures or videos of you riding, since you obviously are so knowledgeable and know exactly what is right. I'd like to see how somebody that knows so much does it.<BR/><BR/>You're the kind of person that disgusts me. You sit and rip apart other people, disciplines, and practices yet you're too self-righteous to offer up some pictures/videos of yourself since you obviously do everything the right way and are all-knowing.<BR/><BR/>Coward - the perfect word to describe you. :)Mirissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16581336997108179645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-35603352457551171372008-09-12T23:38:00.000-04:002008-09-12T23:38:00.000-04:00Damn! Horses can die so weirdly.How about that pe...Damn! Horses can die so weirdly.<BR/><BR/>How about that person quoted on Fugly, who had their horses stolen and killed in a horse tripping thing???cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-72564826736727787512008-09-12T00:22:00.000-04:002008-09-12T00:22:00.000-04:00My luck would be that of someone we knew- $85,000 ...My luck would be that of someone we knew- $85,000 for a paint gelding. <BR/><BR/>Three months later he dropped dead on the walker from heart failure. He was a fairly young horse too.<BR/><BR/>Or another local family- bought a horse, owned it a week. Brought it home and while turned out in the arena, the horse got to running around playing. He misjudged the fence ran into a post and broke his neck. Died instantly. He was home less than 24 hours.Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-85429599573231066402008-09-11T22:25:00.000-04:002008-09-11T22:25:00.000-04:00I don't think I'd ever spend $20,000 on a horse, e...I don't think I'd ever spend $20,000 on a horse, even if I had it!!!<BR/><BR/>It's ever-so-much more fun picking up a bargain and finishing it yourself.cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-8909180426811515002008-09-11T17:14:00.000-04:002008-09-11T17:14:00.000-04:00sds:>All it takes is some jealous wanna-be that...sds:<BR/>>All it takes is some jealous wanna-be that can't stand the fact that my horse cost more than their car to start a blog proclaiming their expertise in everything from western pleasure to walking horses to dressage and hunter under saddle and saying my horse sucks because they don't have her.<BR/><BR/>You're horse was over $20,000 wow, that must be some horse. For that kind of money you shouldn't have to ever touch its mouth or jab at it with a spur, it should know voice commands and where to keep is headAllison.Lowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862011683958678309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-73235307350152353562008-09-11T17:12:00.000-04:002008-09-11T17:12:00.000-04:00So I agree 100% about the QH pleasure stuff. At my...So I agree 100% about the QH pleasure stuff. At my farm at home we've got a barn full of AMAZING western pleasure pinto/quarter horses. They do move goofy, yes (well, I'm an arab person so they move goofy to my standards) but their riders rarely mess with their faces, they uses their spurs for "spur stops" (don't know enough about the QH industry to know what that is) I used to own an amazing QH who, would, at times need to be reminded of the bit.<BR/><BR/>However, I would never just jab at him with the bit AND my leg. This DOES need to be addressed. People who are offended, don't read it, it's that simpleAllison.Lowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09862011683958678309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-63609237500474985402008-09-11T16:20:00.000-04:002008-09-11T16:20:00.000-04:00Well it looks like we'll be heading to Congress on...Well it looks like we'll be heading to Congress on 10/11 ... hope to get tix for freestyle reining if my stupid client pays me for a freelance job!!!!<BR/><BR/>I see there's a variety of classes that day. I'll peek in and see how they go. I'm hoping the hunt seat horses look better this year.<BR/><BR/>I hope, every year.<BR/><BR/>At any rate I'll go shopping!!!!! and gawk at the beautiful tack....cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-16586859678091858342008-09-11T14:28:00.000-04:002008-09-11T14:28:00.000-04:00Tuffy-THAT is what is missing from the stock horse...Tuffy-<BR/>THAT is what is missing from the stock horse breed showring: CONFIDENCE.<BR/>I love to see a horse that is confident and full of himself, but still controlled and moving lightly. It so rarely happens at horse shows.<BR/><BR/><BR/>They have an entirely different 'air' and expression about them don't they? They are happy in their work and excell accordingly under judges who have a clue. They actually look like they are a pleasure to ride! I know... What a concept?Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-26204116251949564222008-09-11T00:09:00.000-04:002008-09-11T00:09:00.000-04:00CutnJump,>Lets not forget ladies, that a horse ...CutnJump,<BR/><BR/>>Lets not forget ladies, that a horse trained without all the jerking and jabbing will move forward how? With Confindence! They will have that relaxed and free flowing movement and go forward with confidence that they are not going to have their face jerked on or otherwise ripped off, any given stride.<BR/><BR/><BR/>THAT is what is missing from the stock horse breed showring: CONFIDENCE.<BR/>I love to see a horse that is confident and full of himself, but still controlled and moving lightly. It so rarely happens at horse shows.<BR/><BR/>I think the most I've seen it was at judging mini shows. The little guys were just exuding personality, but with no malice toward their handlers.<BR/>It was a treat to see them.Tuffy Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916816453349272092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-63142808918110541232008-09-10T12:56:00.000-04:002008-09-10T12:56:00.000-04:00CattyPex->>You CAN have a "soft" h...CattyPex-<BR/>>>You CAN have a "soft" horse without having a defeated horse. You CAN have natural, beautiful, rideable smooth movement that isn't sloooooooooow. You CAN have a naturally low-slung frame without the horse's nose dragging in the dirt. It takes time, talent and real work, and too many WINNING trainers don't go there, and too many owners don't want to wait.<<<BR/><BR/><BR/>TuffyHorse-<BR/>>>You're exactly right. A trainer can create a soft, good moving, well trained horse without all the spur jabbing, face picking, drugs and tail blocking. <<<BR/><BR/>Lets not forget ladies, that a horse trained without all the jerking and jabbing will move forward how? With Confindence! They will have that relaxed and free flowing movement and go forward with confidence that they are not going to have their face jerked on or otherwise ripped off, any given stride.<BR/><BR/>Without all the spur poking and jabbing they also move Willingly off your leg. Used no more than necessary they will wait for it and respond when pressure is applied and as long as the pressure remains. Take the pressure away and let the horse go forward, doing what you asked of them.<BR/><BR/>It is amazing how little time doing it right really takes. But as Cattypex said, people don't want to wait, even if it produces far better, longer lasting results.Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-37521799161046834232008-09-09T22:10:00.000-04:002008-09-09T22:10:00.000-04:00CattyPex wrote:>Valuable Life Lesson: DO NOT ma...CattyPex wrote:<BR/><BR/>>Valuable Life Lesson: DO NOT make Tequila Sunrises with Tang, no matter how broke you are. Just don't.<BR/><BR/>Less intense but just as valuable lesson: Do not drink a pepsi with a methol cough drop in your mouth. It tastes exactly like tidy bowl smells.<BR/><BR/>>I guess I was just curious about the Pleasure Horse forum because I'm wondering what the pros have to say. <BR/><BR/>Some serious harpies there.<BR/><BR/>>The vast majority of AQHA WP horses I see DO look sad and defeated, and non-horse people even pick up on it. <BR/><BR/>I agree. And this is what ANY equine industry MUST address. If the general public is saying: This looks terrible. Then fix it. Don't try to excuse. Don't call the people complaining idiots and tell them they don't understand. They do understand: the horse LOOKS miserable.<BR/><BR/>>I'm hoping that the AQHA gets even more strict with the whole "headset" thing, and gets tough on spur abuse and other topics talked to death on here. <BR/><BR/>I bust people for spur stopping every time I judge. I simply don't allow it. I also bust them for constant tugging on the reins. To me it shows that the horse isn't a pleasure to ride.<BR/><BR/>>>As long as horses aren't abused, then I guess to each his own, but when SO MANY (not all, I know I know, but enough) winning trainers block tails, tie up heads, lunge to death, etc., to achieve such an extreme look, it's a bad situation.<BR/><BR/>>>You CAN have a "soft" horse without having a defeated horse. You CAN have natural, beautiful, rideable smooth movement that isn't sloooooooooow. You CAN have a naturally low-slung frame without the horse's nose dragging in the dirt. It takes time, talent and real work, and too many WINNING trainers don't go there, and too many owners don't want to wait.<BR/><BR/><BR/>You're exactly right. A trainer can create a soft, good moving, well trained horse without all the spur jabbing, face picking, drugs and tail blocking. And as long as the good trainers do not take a stand against the bad trainers and kick their butts out of the industry then the public perception will remain that WP is abusive and cruel.<BR/><BR/>http://thehorsediary.net/ (updated 9-9-2008)Tuffy Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916816453349272092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-64856838332531077592008-09-09T15:41:00.000-04:002008-09-09T15:41:00.000-04:00This looks pretty good:http://www.maintzquarterhor...This looks pretty good:<BR/>http://www.maintzquarterhorses.com/images/dewst05.jpgcattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-64021726032446647092008-09-09T14:10:00.000-04:002008-09-09T14:10:00.000-04:00I have some videos of really beautiful, natural WP...I have some videos of really beautiful, natural WP horses but they are horses owned by friends of mine so I don't want to post them here. <BR/><BR/>The whole tail-blocking thing is an icky thing, I think the industry is divided about 50/50 on that. <BR/><BR/>I can't speak a whole lot for WP since I don't do that event anymore, haven't for years. I don't want people equating a level headset with being 'defeated'. I have photos of my HUS horse at age 1, age 2, and then under saddle...she is travelling at a trot in exactly the same frame in each shot. That's her way of going, the rider just refines it and directs it. <BR/><BR/>Of course, there are always those who take it to the extreme. Those poeple suck!Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13892886975668356597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-49010779652221516982008-09-09T14:02:00.000-04:002008-09-09T14:02:00.000-04:00Valuable Life Lesson: DO NOT make Tequila Sunrises...Valuable Life Lesson: DO NOT make Tequila Sunrises with Tang, no matter how broke you are. Just don't.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I guess I was just curious about the Pleasure Horse forum because I'm wondering what the pros have to say. The vast majority of AQHA WP horses I see DO look sad and defeated, and non-horse people even pick up on it. <BR/><BR/>I'm hoping that the AQHA gets even more strict with the whole "headset" thing, and gets tough on spur abuse and other topics talked to death on here. <BR/><BR/>These things NEED to be brought to light. <BR/><BR/>As long as horses aren't abused, then I guess to each his own, but when SO MANY (not all, I know I know, but enough) winning trainers block tails, tie up heads, lunge to death, etc., to achieve such an extreme look, it's a bad situation.<BR/><BR/>You CAN have a "soft" horse without having a defeated horse. You CAN have natural, beautiful, rideable smooth movement that isn't sloooooooooow. You CAN have a naturally low-slung frame without the horse's nose dragging in the dirt. It takes time, talent and real work, and too many WINNING trainers don't go there, and too many owners don't want to wait.<BR/><BR/>(You CAN has cheezburgers too! Sheesh.)cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-48109798073312879932008-09-09T13:09:00.000-04:002008-09-09T13:09:00.000-04:00Tuffy- Bushmills and Jamesons are Irish whiskeys*....Tuffy- Bushmills and Jamesons are Irish whiskeys*. Very smooth in flavor and mix well with coffee. Most people like Baileys or St. Brendons Irish Creme in coffee and Kaluha is also good. Depends on personal taste.<BR/><BR/>*I know I may get slammed for that because there is a difference between whiskey and whisky, and I can't remember what it is. Something about where it is made?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Beer-<BR/><BR/>Blue Moon is a Belgian wheat ale. Light in flavor and really good with a slice of orange in it. They also offer 'seasonal' flavors.<BR/><BR/>Asahi is a Japanese beer. The 'Select' is really good and goes down too easily when it is cold. Orion and Asahi are also good.<BR/><BR/>Mexican beers can be really good too Madello, Madello Especial, Dos XX, Pacifico and my two favorites Sol and Caguama. The Caguama is I believe a San Salvadorian beer. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Everything in moderation... Keeps us all from becoming too drunk and getting way out of hand.<BR/><BR/>If you have one or two every now and then, we won't tell. LOL! Not like any of us would mind. Once in a while though, a good cold beer with food, just goes so nicely and like wine, compliments the flavors of the food.<BR/><BR/>I like the lighter flavored beers, while JR also likes Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire and several other stonger, bolder flavored ales. <BR/><BR/>Ever have any questions, ask the bartenders at the restaraunt what they advise. Chances are they have tasted just about everything they stock and can help you find something you like that will go well with the food you are ordering. Or peruse the beer aisle at the local store and just take a peek at what they have. They have something to suit just about every taste and often you can buy one bottle to try. Not a bad way to test the waters and find one you like...<BR/><BR/>Now if you want to get into the foo-foo-yummy drinks, email me... We have come up with some mighty tasty mixtures in our kitchen! Not all of them require a blender either...Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-20823712714000043512008-09-09T12:04:00.000-04:002008-09-09T12:04:00.000-04:00The Pleasure Horse Forum is a forum for profession...The Pleasure Horse Forum is a forum for professionals and non-professionals in the stock horse world. I hesitate posting a link here because I don't think it's fair to send anti-pleasure and stock horse people over there just to pick them apart. <BR/><BR/>My fave eq exercise is the up-up-sit, and then doing THAT without stirrups. It makes me really push my strength to it's limit and I also have to concentrate hard to keep the right rhythm going...it's so weird to be posting every other set on the 'wrong' diagonal. My older mare (before she was bred) was my eq mount and I would make her trot endless circles around the arena while I flopped around and struggled without stirrups. Luckily she doesn't hold a grudge for all that I put her through LOL!<BR/><BR/>Catty are you going to Congress this year for your birthday?Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13892886975668356597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-6154246878420501552008-09-09T09:38:00.000-04:002008-09-09T09:38:00.000-04:00Yah, I thought a duster coat would be cool, but I&...Yah, I thought a duster coat would be cool, but I'm 5'2" and round, so it looks rather silly on me. Glad I didn't get one, esp. if they make you hot and sweaty (in a bad way). If you have an indoor arena, you really don't NEED one.<BR/><BR/>Negra Modelo is my favorite Mexican beer. The guys at the Mexican restaurant know this. <BR/><BR/>Too bad you guys live faaaar away! We are party soulmates!!! mmmm, SUSHI. CNJ - hope the buns in the oven are perking right along. :) <BR/><BR/>I didn't even know I was preggers till I was almost 20 weeks.... I named her Lena, though she's not from cutting horse lines. :P Sometimes I call her Smart Little Lena and inwardly laugh my ass off, since no one in my family would understand.<BR/><BR/>WHERE is this Pleasure Horse Forum???? <BR/>Has Johnnie Rotten torn it all up yet?<BR/><BR/>Rabbit, thumbs up, heels down, & open up your chest! ; )<BR/><BR/>I hate it when a 19 year old riding instructor makes you do two point w/o stirrups. Cruel girls.cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-21215031587825455202008-09-09T07:12:00.000-04:002008-09-09T07:12:00.000-04:00Me neither! I have such a low tolerance for alcoho...Me neither! I have such a low tolerance for alcohol, it ain't pretty when I drink.<BR/><BR/>My birthday is Sept. 26...ugh. <BR/><BR/>Catty I bought one of those aussie duster coats back in 1990. I ended up selling on bay a few years ago. It was just so dang heavy and hot, it was like wearing a steam bath that weighed 1,000 pounds.Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16584181334084988059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-78830122406308591312008-09-09T00:00:00.000-04:002008-09-09T00:00:00.000-04:00Oh man, you guys are getting way beyond my little ...Oh man, you guys are getting way beyond my little sheltered world!<BR/><BR/>I don't even recognize have the liquers you're talking about!<BR/><BR/>http://www.thehorsediary.net/Tuffy Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15916816453349272092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-49913424154141060732008-09-08T23:32:00.000-04:002008-09-08T23:32:00.000-04:00Leave it to a man to forget the best beer of all o...Leave it to a man to forget the best beer of all of them- Asahi Select. With sushi of course...<BR/><BR/>Yuuuuuummmmmmmmmm!<BR/><BR/>Jamesons or Bushmill's in the coffee at horse shows is always good to keep everything on an even keel.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Catty pex- I learned to drink with the boys. Better down it and move on the the next if you want to get more than one beer out of the 12 pack you just bought... Living with Ned the Wino (before JR) makes drinking at 7 am acceptable too!Cut-N-Jumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03603347619547454296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-29616103749133895352008-09-08T23:27:00.000-04:002008-09-08T23:27:00.000-04:00CattypexI used to swill Jameson like Iced Tea. I w...Cattypex<BR/><BR/>I used to swill Jameson like Iced Tea. I was a TOTAL studwoman. I drank a Greek dude under the table with Ouzo once.<BR/>++++++++++++++++++<BR/><BR/>We love Jamesons, we have it in our coffee on Sunday Mornings. That is our little treat to ourselves. <BR/><BR/>Other than that it is beer. Not so much Guiness in the summer here, but I love Bass and any of the amber beers. We are beer snobs! We also love the Beligan Blue Moon and Stella Artois. But on a really hot day there is nothing like a Modelo Especial or a Pacifico. Shit, now I am thirsty. <BR/><BR/>I hate to have a beer in front of CNJ, I feel so guilty,because I made her this way. But the guilt only lasts so long. <BR/><BR/>We also like Whalers cocnut rum in sprite with a lime on a hot day!MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!JohnieRottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09556383138019987399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-66319007798607909302008-09-08T22:57:00.000-04:002008-09-08T22:57:00.000-04:00Calling Dr. Green.... *sigh* These days I stick...Calling Dr. Green.... *sigh* These days I stick to the Guinness, or red red wine, or even crap beer because my friend's husband works for Miller/Coors.<BR/><BR/>I used to swill Jameson like Iced Tea. I was a TOTAL studwoman. I drank a Greek dude under the table with Ouzo once.<BR/><BR/>Then I grew up & stuff.<BR/><BR/>Hey, maybe safely carrying drunktards should be part of a trail class!! Didn't they used to put cages of live bears or mountain lions in trail classes? Teeter-totters? Do they still do that? They don't in 4-H.....cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-9527547326719935892008-09-08T22:33:00.000-04:002008-09-08T22:33:00.000-04:00We Libras must stick together. And defend the worl...We Libras must stick together. And defend the world from Fucktards and Asshats..We shall raise a pint for all!<BR/><BR/>My Birthday is Sept 30th.<BR/>-----------------------------<BR/><BR/>Cattypex<BR/><BR/>JohnnieRotten I am a Libra too, for the record. I blame my wishy washyness on that.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I blame my wishy washyness on too much Guiness and a few too many hits of the great green herb!JohnieRottenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09556383138019987399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-2644380902137506882008-09-08T22:26:00.000-04:002008-09-08T22:26:00.000-04:00HAHA my birthday is 10/22 so we often do Congress...HAHA my birthday is 10/22 so we often do Congress for my b-day!<BR/><BR/>I have looked at the same damn Australian duster coat in the same damn booth since 1985. And every year I talk myself out of it....<BR/><BR/>This is more my cup of tea in a hunt seat horse, though of course a little on the STRONG side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je0ky2lPOnU<BR/><BR/>That's how my mare moved, even on the flat.cattypexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17589672286463092432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5152826429049460534.post-65618552682151763682008-09-08T22:22:00.000-04:002008-09-08T22:22:00.000-04:00LOL no HUS breeders that I know want post legs or ...LOL no HUS breeders that I know want post legs or tiny feet. Sometimes ya get what ya get though LOL! I think I got the perfect build in the last baby I bred, the right cocktail mix of genes. <BR/><BR/>Yep, you and I could get together for drinks and probably not kill each other! It is nice to have a civilized debate/discussion with someone. I am trying hard to ignore the other posts that are just rude and mean without any substance. Exerting self-control is making me strong, I think :-]<BR/><BR/>And dammit, I try to keep my thumbs up when I ride. I usually do pretty good. the puppy paws thing is a constant struggle that I work on. Every time I think I am doing good, I catch it on a video and want to schmack myself. <BR/><BR/>Since you are a libra also, when IS your birthday? We could totally go for drinks and celebrate another crappy birthday LOL!Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16584181334084988059noreply@blogger.com